The following is a transcript of an interview with White House National Security Adviser, Jake Sullivan, which aired on “Face the Nation” on July 16, 2023.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Good morning, Jake. We’ve seen multiple cabinet members, including John Kerry, travel to China recently. Can we expect President Biden and President Xi to have a conversation soon?
JAKE SULLIVAN: While we don’t have any announcements at this time, I do anticipate that President Biden and President Xi will eventually have the opportunity to speak. The relationship between the United States and China is complex and challenging, requiring careful management that can only be effectively done at the highest level. So it’s likely that the two leaders will connect in the future.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The recent hacking incident targeted the Commerce Department, and Microsoft has identified China-based actors as the culprits. Will there be consequences for Beijing?
SULLIVAN: Correct, Margaret. This intrusion originated from hackers who infiltrated Microsoft’s cloud system and gained access to unclassified email accounts of U.S. government agencies. It was our government that discovered the intrusion, informed Microsoft, and took necessary measures to prevent further compromise. We have encountered similar incidents in the past and have taken steps to hold responsible actors accountable. The attribution process is still ongoing, but we have no reason to dispute Microsoft’s identification of China-based actors.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Treasury Secretary has suggested that China’s move to cut off ingredients for computer chips may be a retaliatory action against U.S. tech restrictions. Do you see this as a part of an escalating situation?
SULLIVAN: It’s difficult to speculate on the motivations of Chinese decision-makers. However, I view this move as self-defeating. It’s likely to encourage other countries to reduce their dependencies on China and strengthen their own supply chains, particularly for critical minerals. Our approach is focused on establishing restrictions on technology with national security implications, rather than cutting off all trade with China. We will continue to be transparent about our actions, while China will determine its own course of action.
MARGARET BRENNAN: North Korea’s recent progress in developing intercontinental ballistic missiles raises concerns of another nuclear test. Are you anticipating such a test in the near future?
SULLIVAN: There has been an ongoing concern about North Korea conducting its seventh nuclear test. While there are no immediate indications, it wouldn’t be surprising if they proceed with a test related to their intercontinental ballistic missile capabilities, which they have been testing for years. We closely monitor these tests and coordinate with our allies in Japan and Korea to develop appropriate responses to this threat.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Have there been any new diplomatic efforts to engage with North Korea after this recent test?
SULLIVAN: We haven’t initiated any new diplomatic efforts following this test. However, during the Biden administration, we have made it clear to North Korea that we are ready to engage in talks without preconditions regarding their nuclear program. Furthermore, we’ve conveyed to China that the United States is open to diplomacy, while North Korea remains reluctant. China, as a crucial player with ties to North Korea, should communicate to them that their continued testing is destabilizing and counterproductive, leading to increased actions and posture from the United States and its allies.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You recently attended the NATO Summit, where numerous promises were made. One such promise involved allowing Ukraine to join NATO. Do you worry this may prolong negotiations with Russia and incentivize them to drag out the conflict?
SULLIVAN: Ukraine is courageously pushing back against Russian forces in the south and east, causing significant damage. The West continues to tighten sanctions, weakening Russia’s defense capabilities. If Russia chooses to continue the conflict, it will come at a great cost. Ukraine will progress on the battlefield, and we will ensure they receive the necessary support. The NATO Summit clearly stated that Ukraine’s future is in NATO and is not up for negotiation. All 31 allies have committed to this stance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you, Jake. Before we wrap up, any progress in the efforts to address Iran’s nuclear program?
SULLIVAN: Our administration is actively pursuing diplomatic efforts to address Iran’s nuclear program and bring it back under control. While I cannot provide specifics at this time, we remain committed to finding a resolution through diplomacy and negotiation.
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