On this episode of “Face the Nation,” hosted by Major Garrett, we have an impressive lineup of guests: Former Vice President Mike Pence, Former Attorney General William Barr, Former Rep. Will Hurd, attorney John Lauro, former President Donald Trump’s representative, Rep. Dean Phillips, a Democrat from Minnesota, and Chris Krebs, former director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. You can find the full transcripts of this episode by clicking here.
Major Garrett introduces the show by highlighting the significance of the third indictment of Donald Trump and how many believe it to be the most serious case yet. Special prosecutor Jack Smith’s words about the attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and the alleged lies by the defendant to obstruct the election process are emphasized. Garrett also mentions that the indictment is an allegation, and the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The discussion on this episode will revolve around the potential testimonies of Vice President Mike Pence, Attorney General Bill Barr, and Chris Krebs, who all communicated to Trump that there was no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election. John Lauro, representing Trump, will also be present. Additionally, former Congressman Will Hurd, a Republican from Texas, will join the conversation, as well as Democrat Dean Phillips from Minnesota, who believes his party should explore alternatives to President Biden.
The episode begins with an update on the U.S. women’s soccer team’s loss in the World Cup knockout round match against Sweden. In terms of the impact of Trump’s third indictment, it is evident that divisions exist not only between the political parties but also among Republicans, with different views on whether Trump did something wrong. Major Garrett interviews former Vice President Mike Pence, who was once seen as extremely loyal to Trump but claims that Trump pressured him to overturn the election.
Pence asserts that Trump was wrong then and now and that he had no right to overturn the election. He mentions that more and more Americans recognize this and shares his commitment to the Constitution. Garrett asks Pence about the representation made by Trump’s legal team that they only asked him to delay the proceedings for a state audit. Pence clarifies that he had no such authority and reiterates that he followed the facts and did his duty. When asked if he would be a witness against Trump if the case goes to trial, Pence emphasizes obeying the law and telling the truth.
Pence expresses concern about politicization at the Justice Department and the double standards in pursuing allegations of corruption. However, he refrains from prejudging the indictment and emphasizes the importance of the presumption of innocence for the former president. Regarding the notes mentioned in the indictment, Pence explains that he would need to adhere to limitations set by the grand jury but confirms that he would occasionally scribble notes on his calendar. He asserts that he consistently communicated to Trump that he had no authority to overturn the election.
In terms of Trump’s state of mind regarding the election, Pence states that he can’t say for certain. He believes Trump was focused on investigating voting irregularities, particularly rule changes made in response to COVID-19 that could benefit Democratic candidates.
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